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My progress in Persona 5 (spoils?)
Since I had my first death in a while, and it was mainly due to my own cockiness and not healing when I had 13 health left (and as such, had to restart the whole thing over again), I'm curious how I'm doing for my first playthrough. Here are my character levels.
MC, Futaba - 63
Ryuji, Morgana, Yusuke, Haru, Makoto - 61
Ann - 60
I'm playing as I type this, so levels may vary slightly.
I never did Mishima's social link, nor have I ever battled the Reaper, so I may be slightly underleveled. I'm currently using a level 67 Melchizedek with God's Hand, and bless instant kill spells. It has Hama Boost, to make it easier, along with Ziodyne and Psiodyne for a little more coverage. I'm trying to fuse Thor, which I would have been able to do... if I didn't happen to die. I'm mainly the Naoto here, in clearing mobs, or the he-who-must-not-be-named traitor, who I actually loved using (and he would have had an almost permanent place in my party had he stuck around).
I have an SP recovering item for everyone except Ryuji (because I don't use him often, and if I do, it's for his physical skills). I maxed social links for Ryuji, Ann, Futaba, and Morgana. Haru is a measly rank 2, because I kinda got stuck behind a social stat wall. But she is one of my strongest characters, with great gun skills, and her generic attack does quite a bit damage.
So I gotta ask, am I underleveled? Do I need to do a bit of grinding? Like I said, I only really died because I refused to let Morgana heal everyone. I'm just not sure if I'm going to have a problem dealing with the boss. Will there be a certain Persona that you really need here? I usually just go for Personas I like, and they work fine. I can't really go back to a save, since I usually keep saves up to date.
If you skipped Mishima and thus Mementos, I have a feeling your last bit of game is going to be... pretty damn long.
Prepare for that.
What difficulty? If it's normal or whatever; you're fine level wise... but it's probably going to be long regardless, if you haven't been doing Mementos.
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I've done Mementos, I'm already at the depths. I explored it on my own accord as the story went on. And some of the requests from other people helped me get down quite far. I ignored Mishima's social link, not the quests like from Futaba and the like. Now I could have probably talked to him, but I never cared enough (like I've stated before, I ignored every character I didn't like). I was under the impression it passed time during the night, which I spent either boosting stats or meeting with the fortune teller.
Regarding difficulty, I've bounced between normal and hard typically. If I'm feeling a bit more confident, I'll go to hard. If it starts getting difficult, I go back to normal.
You're gonna have a bad time. I went into the final boss in the mid 70s and I had to use 6 different party members over the course of the fight, and still almost lost.
Hmm really? I haven't lost to a boss yet. So that'd be interesting.
Good luck Naos!
Haha, thanks. Is it normal for Futaba and MC to be higher level than everyone else? At some points, we're two levels higher. Well, it looks like the levels are coming in quick. Mid 60s now.
It's probably because you didn't do much of Mishima's Confidant. He makes it so that backup members of your party get the same exp as those who participated in battle.
In my case though, I was always underleveled. Not sure if it was because I was playing on Hard mode or because I I wasn't doing enough fighting in dungeons.
Oh, I suppose that makes sense. I think I actually did his requests, but I never actually did his Confidant. Although I guess I can fast-forward through his dialogue, because I really don't like his character. On first playthroughs (and even after that sometimes), I always focus on primary party numbers, and characters I like. For example, in Persona 4, I wasted a lot of time gaining knowledge and courage just so I can max Naoto's link by the end of the game. I probably would've had more maxed links if I didn't.
Regarding your level, that could be a reason. I switched to normal after I realized Hard at times, became more of a sloggy grind-fest, and a lot of the time, I would have a way rougher time in dungeons. I'm not big on really hard games. I gave up on Devil May Cry in hard mode because I died like, 20 times, with no way to win.
Alright, made to a second safe room after all those tedious colour-changing puzzles. I have a feeling I'm finally nearing the end.
You've still got more than you think.
Hmm... neat. I'm already level 70, so it looks like I should be fine. Not sure if I should keep Melchizedek as my Persona or fuse something else.
Alright, fused Siegfried, and in the new dungeon that has a bunch of angels. Not having too much of a problem so far.
Alright, fused Siegfried, and in the new dungeon that has a bunch of angels. Not having too much of a problem so far.Oh, so you're out of Mementos then?
Aw man, you're almost there! Kick some ass out there!
Yes, I am out. And thank you, filthyllama, haha. I appreciate it. Every party member is 70-72 now. I have to stop now because for some reason, my sister loves watching me play this. Defeated two mini-bosses, one that summoned Angels, and the one called Cleanser of Heaven. I do feel like I'm the little minority who plays on PS3 though.Alright, fused Siegfried, and in the new dungeon that has a bunch of angels. Not having too much of a problem so far.Oh, so you're out of Mementos then?
Well, juvenile hall it is. I finally did it.
What difficulty was it?
I went between normal and hard, I think I ended up finishing on normal.
And.. starting New Game+, because I really have no other game to play at the moment, haha.
Same also you might want to use an avatar before the mods notice.
I have to use an avatar? I wasn't aware.
Congrats on beating the final boss Naos.
Thanks, I actually had a harder time with Persona 4's boss I think. Maybe I'll try battling the twins this time.
You can only battle them in NG+ anyway.
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I assumed so. I'll probably wait till I get Akechi in the party again. Because you can battle them at any time, correct?
They're actually cake with Akechi.
Debilitate on anyone other than Joker makes life so easy.
Not really. I find no one is particularly useful but Joker. And he has to have the right Personas with the right moves too.
Futaba sometimes, but that's random.
Then again I played them on hard. The party apart from Joker rarely lasted into their second phase.
uhh
I fought them blind
on hard
mostly thanks to akechi
and beat them in one try
nigga what you doin
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They're actually cake with Akechi. Debilitate on anyone other than Joker makes life so easy.That's why I figured using Akechi, haha. Just gotta get him to that level. I never did while he was in the party.
uhh I fought them blind on hard mostly thanks to akechi and beat them in one try nigga what you doinColor me skeptical. Akechi and the rest of them were leveled to max, all moves, evolved, and I had to do a crap ton of move modification on Joker, and many many tries. Anyone can say anything they want. Regardless, I don't see what Akechi offered past anyone else. Almighty or Holy or Dark had no added damage to them. And his defenses were a lot lower, so he went down first typically. Can't think of any good support moves either that only he carries.
Legit, Naos.
Bring Makoto, Akechi, and the last slot is up to you. I picked a gun build Haru, mostly for wife purposes but she also has Heat Riser and does decent damage on her own.
Make sure Debilitate and Marakukaja stay up as often as possible. have Joker constantly attacking, preferably with Hassou Tobi so you can avoid them reviving each other and just deal retarded damage.
Make sure Joker has zero weaknesses, yet again another reason to use Yoshitsune.
Alternatively you could bring Ryuji or Ann in your fourth slot for even more damage every turn.
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use buffs retarduhh I fought them blind on hard mostly thanks to akechi and beat them in one try nigga what you doinColor me skeptical. Akechi and the rest of them were leveled to max, all moves, evolved, and I had to do a crap ton of move modification on Joker, and many many tries. Anyone can say anything they want. Regardless, I don't see what Akechi offered past anyone else. Almighty or Holy or Dark had no added damage to them. And his defenses were a lot lower, so he went down first typically. Can't think of any good support moves either that only he carries.
I'm glad that worked for you. I found trying to keep stat moves up only resulted in not doing enough damage and the battle ending. I could barely manage a heat riser from Joker every 3 turns.
A Persona with no weaknesses is hard to accomplish, but even then, you'll still take damage hard. I found immunities or reflects far far more useful.
Trumpeter and Beelzebub were the two I chose to use.
Still... What does Akechi offer? He never really helped me out that much.
Some mod.use buffs retarduhh I fought them blind on hard mostly thanks to akechi and beat them in one try nigga what you doinColor me skeptical. Akechi and the rest of them were leveled to max, all moves, evolved, and I had to do a crap ton of move modification on Joker, and many many tries. Anyone can say anything they want. Regardless, I don't see what Akechi offered past anyone else. Almighty or Holy or Dark had no added damage to them. And his defenses were a lot lower, so he went down first typically. Can't think of any good support moves either that only he carries.
>Still... What does Akechi offer? He never really helped me out that much.
https://i.imgur.com/cb74zOr.png
mfw this nigga such a newfag he don't know to use buffs retard
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I used that move too. Not from Akechi, but also with Heat Riser.
It helped, but it doesn't make or break anything as much as you're making it out to.
I say you're completely full of it. Pics, videos, etc, or it didn't happen.
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Legit, Naos. Bring Makoto, Akechi, and the last slot is up to you. I picked a gun build Haru, mostly for wife purposes but she also has Heat Riser and does decent damage on her own. Make sure Debilitate and Marakukaja stay up as often as possible. have Joker constantly attacking, preferably with Hassou Tobi so you can avoid them reviving each other and just deal retarded damage. Make sure Joker has zero weaknesses, yet again another reason to use Yoshitsune. Alternatively you could bring Ryuji or Ann in your fourth slot for even more damage every turn.Haha, neat. My girlfriend in the game (I pick one per entry, and stick with them) is Futaba, so she doesn't even take up a party slot. I had a gun build of Haru as well. My main persona at the end of my playthrough was Siegfried, due to lack of nuclear moves it appeared. I'll have to fuse Yoshitune then. I always alternated party members throughout the game. My favourite active party member was Akechi (RIP), so I don't have a preference really. Probably Ryuji to buff attack. Wouldn't I need a healer? Though I suppose Makoto could fill that role, but I found Morgana to be more effective. Granted, he was really squishy it seemed. He died more than any other party member.
https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-000109802336-338bqj-t500x500.jpguse buffs retardSome mod.
I used that move too. Not from Akechi, but also with Heat Riser. It helped, but it doesn't make or break anything as much as you're making it out to. I say you're completely full of it. Pics, videos, etc, or it didn't happen.You're bad at Megaten dude. If you don't see why making it harder for the boss to kill you, and easier for you to kill them is absolutely vital to any decent run, then you'd probably rage quit matador lmao As for the healer slot, Morgana just dies too fast. Makoto is packing more utility (Rakukaja), and at level 99 her healing is equal to Morgana's anyway. Not to mention she is nowhere near as squishy as Morgana. Morgana folds like paper, especially in the late game. It's worth noting Morgana has Salvation, but it's nowhere near worth it. Especially if you bring Haru like I did, status ailments are just not an issue.
IMO best party composition is Ryuji, Akechi and Makoto. Charge + Attack buff + Debelitate is game breaking. Use them both on Ryuji and Joker, and you should be good. Makoto is there for heals and what not.
Number one tip though, Do NOT have weaknesses on Joker going into the fight. You will regret it. Severely.
Haru can work but I prefer charge God's hand and attack buffs. Gun skills and heat riser isn't worth it.
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Of course I am. I've never played any SMT game and P5 was my first one.
Guess I'm just not much of a buffer. I used them, but you and other vets of this franchise seem to focus more on them than anything.
I guess it's just not really my style, and luckily, there's more than one way to skin a cat. So to speak.
Not sure how you managed to get everyone at 99. I grind like crazy and I barely got Joker's Persona to 99 for the last day I could fight them.
He was at 91 and the others were 88ish. That's as much as I could do and still play the game.
Did you forgo story entirely just to focus on battle and grinding?
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You know, in a lot of RPGs buffs are fairly useless.
Not here.
Use them.
IMO best party composition is Ryuji, Akechi and Makoto. Charge + Attack buff + Debelitate is game breaking. Use them both on Ryuji and Joker, and you should be good. Makoto is there for heals and what not. Number one tip though, Do NOT have weaknesses on Joker going into the fight. You will regret it. Severely.This is probably the most optimal team for the fight. Bring Yoshitsune, keep your defense up and the bosses debuffed. As for Togo, I highly recommend getting used to a buff-heavy playstyle if you intend to get anywhere in Megaten. P5 is easy, and you can get away by the skin of your teeth without buffing too much. Don't get used to that.
I'll have to since I want to up it even more next time.
But I get better and learn more each time I play.
Well, the first I played was Persona 4, and Norn was my end-game persona. It had debilitate. I started using buffs quickly, but once I found that... buffs became the way to go for me entirely. Shame Norn was so weak in Persona 5 though.
How did you guys get so high in level? I assume reaper? Because by the end, I was only level 74.
Yeah, the Reaper grind on Flu days is the way to go. Takes about thirty minutes or so. Maybe more, I dunno.
I did the Reaper as many times as allowed, and I only got to 91 for the twins.
So Hazama must've forgone story to make more room for grinding. I didn't (I still had to do most everything else) and that is literally the highest I could get.
I might've had bad Reaper luck though. I only had a single flu day in the whole game.
I was positive it was more my first time, but in NG+, I only got the one.
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Ah. Well, my sister was watching me play, so I didn't want to completely bore her. Now on new game plus, not a problem. Also didn't help I didn't rank up Mishima at all, probably would've helped. Had flu days, but preferred to spend time with confidants.
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As allowed? Pardon? Just keep waiting for him to respawn after he kills himself. Go to another floor. You can get to 99 in a day.
For the record I went and fought him for real after the twins. Same strategy applies, but even easier since there's only one target.
Yoshitsune is busted man.
I failed to do everything my first time (I stupidly believed the enddate calendar, thinking I had until March), so NG+ was my last chance to do it all right AND beat them.So Hazama must've forgone story to make more room for grinding.You can only battle them in NG+ anyway.
I feel the reaper was poorly implimented. I was scared of the reaper in Persona 4 Golden. Didn't know a chest spawned him and got destroyed. This on the other hand... Too easy to exploit. Just my opinion.
As allowed? Pardon? Just keep waiting for him to respawn after he kills himself. Go to another floor. You can get to 99 in a day. For the record I went and fought him for real after the twins. Same strategy applies, but even easier since there's only one target. Yoshitsune is busted man.I tried that. He stopped appearing for me after the third time. And I waited a long time before I thought there must be something in place game wise preventing it. I believe you, but it didn't work for me. Can't say why.
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A limit to how much you can grind and break the game in half?
That sounds like competent game design?
In late Persona 5?
pft.
Yeah, it seemed like a reasonable assumption to a newbie.
Next time, I'll give it another go.
I will fight you.
I will fight you.Good luck with that. Almighty boost and amp on a level 99 Nigga Frost, capped magic ofc. Bring it smelly.
Uh... 6A.
Can you battle peer to peer?
I don't recall ever seeing that option.
Damn, ya got me there.
I feel the reaper was poorly implimented. I was scared of the reaper in Persona 4 Golden. Didn't know a chest spawned him and got destroyed. This on the other hand... Too easy to exploit. Just my opinion.Reaper is a chump lol, its not a threat unless you want to go looking for him. Iirc hes still a tough fight. But it's really easy to just ignore Reaper imo. (Reaper farming in P3P was easy with Armageddon though)
Reaper really ain't shit if you prepared to the levels I did. The Twins were cake, he was uh...the glass of milk I drank to wash the cake down.
Well, it's not like I knew he was there in Golden. So, it surprised me. Later in the game, I was able to take him out though for a little revenge. Another reason I ignored reapers, was excessive level-grinding. I don't mind a little power fantasy, but bulldozing through the game at level 99 would not have been as appealing.I feel the reaper was poorly implimented. I was scared of the reaper in Persona 4 Golden. Didn't know a chest spawned him and got destroyed. This on the other hand... Too easy to exploit. Just my opinion.Reaper is a chump lol, its not a threat unless you want to go looking for him. Iirc hes still a tough fight. But it's really easy to just ignore Reaper imo. (Reaper farming in P3P was easy with Armageddon though)
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Yeah, lvl 99 isn't necessary, I would say lvl 70-80 with a good persona for every skill set is fine. (One for each element and passives that buff them, an opening auto-buffer, a regular buffer, then perhaps anything else you need). That should carry you through the game with good strategy and equipment.
Has anyone tried them on maniac, or whatever it's called in that DLC added difficulty?
Level 99 helps quite a bit. I actually do have the Arsene, it's actually only got Speed Master, but it's not a huge deal since Sukukaja isn't AS useful as the other buffs.
Anyway, fun fact. I actually did this fight while Haru had Milady. I actually think doing this fight with Astarte is impossible, that or I just missed a day hanging out with her. I even had her Christmas gift. It wasn't a huge gimp, since everyone else could reliably dodge their own weaknesses, and all it usually meant was having to re-apply Debilitate.
https://i.imgur.com/9Mv1gm0.jpg
Merciless is my next goal, but I need to prepare better. Get the best armor and weapons, and I'm prioritizing reading all the books first, since that's one of the two trophies I still need.
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Tried them on the hardest difficulty seriously? I haven't.
But for a joke when I had my friend over I tried it on that difficulty mode on a NG+ the first time I was able after getting my Endgame Personas back so everyone was low level.
Worth it.
Thanks, @hazama. I will try that when I get to it. I've seen videos and it does look a bit difficult. I hope it's at least harder than Yaldabaoth, who actually was not that hard for me. I think Yusuke died once, and that was it.
I finished the game by the way (since the thread is about my progress), with Yusuke, Haru, and Morgana.
Oh yeah man, Yaldy's a pushover.
Hope my tips helped, best advice I can really give is be ready to grind.
I suggest modding the game and replacing Yaldabaoth with five Crows.
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https://i.imgur.com/o1LCs01.png
How does your Arsene have max strength? I thought only his speed reached that level.
Obviously I'm still out of the loop when it comes to Personas.
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You can get almost any Personas stats however you want using the Gallows and a metric fuck ton of Patience. It's how I got my endgame Personas to max Luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmHqcVsaN8k
You can get almost any Personas stats however you want using the Gallows and a metric fuck ton of Patience. It's how I got my endgame Personas to max Luck.I had no idea it was even more like Pokemon. I thought you were stuck with the base stats of each one, thus you had to pick the best ones on their own attributes. How do the gallows work exactly to accomplish that? Video is seriously glitching for me mobile. Will have to watch later.
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I suggest modding the game and replacing Yaldabaoth with five Crows.To be honest, that would probably be a harder boss, haha. Now, if only Crow could've gone with me to the end game.
I joke, everyone knows Five Crows is a random encounter in Shido's Palace.
The Gallows are easy to get the hang of, since the video is glitchy, I'll just summarize and say you can sacrifice Personas to power one up, and if you keep cancelling and going back in, the upgraded stats are altered, so you can force it to upgrade only what you want with patience.
Ah. Like FE where stats are randomized each level up, you reset, etc.
And I thought inheriting moves was tedious. I can only imagine that.
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Same also you might want to use an avatar before the mods notice.Two mods here, is this a thing, by the way? ^
Once upon a time, having no avatar in PMs would result in a broken image, so everyone would joke about them having to get an avatar or faith the wrath of Mishima or the mods.
There's no actual rule about it though, just a running joke more or less.
Oh okay, I got worried, haha. I usually don't like using avatars, if I do, it'll be a singer or video game character.