No I'm obviously the strongest Persona MC, unlike you new lot my SP Regens as I walk... Okay that applies to the whole party, also we could summon ours in the real world without having to resort to fancy tricks like Evokers. If we're talking SMT overall though strongest is probably Dagda route Nanashi, maybe King Of Bel Abel. Certainly no Persona MC is even in the running for overall strongest.

But if u remember correctly akira did summon his persona in the real world mementos and the real world got fused together

And so what about the so regen who needs it when u got a bullet that shoot through gods

But that was when Mementos fused with the Real World. That was when Joker-Akira was able to summon his Persona. But unlike Akira, Tatsuya can summon his own personas in the real world without it changing at all. And I can't really argue with the SP regen and Satanael bullet

But what about persona 1 the girl who created it all

Also if everyone met up together and was able to summon there personas who do you think would win?

Aigis is a living weapon with guns for arms dude

Im sorry?

Ok my answer, satanael, use sinful shell, an unblockable instant kill cutscene occurs BOOM akira instantly the strongest

I dunno about that Satanael, if you count instant-kills of gods, both Tatsuya and Yu, possibly more, do that as well.

The other Protagonists also didn't need a crowd of people cheering them on to summon a God killing power. The first two didn't even need a specific power for it, cough.

Is Aigis considered an MC?

The debate is arguable at best, but there is no definable answer. (Obviously, I'm biased toward a specific on, but that's neither here nor there) When it comes down to it, the best thing you can try to do is break down who is able to do what, and under what conditions. Persona 1 and 2 are set in a completely different world, where things operate on a fundamentally different system. P2EP was the last game of it's trio before the world was broken down and reworked entirely, so assuming that "They can use their persona in the real world" is not exactly viable for them, as everyone was able to manipulate the world, even if not a persona user. (Remember the rumor system?) So, for the time being, I'm going to exclude Persona 1 and 2 MC's out of this, since their entire world was set up entirely different, and it allowed them to do much more, with a lot less. And for the sake of arguments, I'm not using "Persona Victories of Gods" as a viable measuring stick either. If we do, Joker wins automatically as he kills what is considered the Gnostic's version of God (The God of the Old Testament). SeeS, as far as I'm aware, are actually the "Strongest". They train outside of the midnight hour constantly, and actively have to go out and defend their targets. This one was debatable up until Arena Ultimax, where it was reveled that the SeeS were able to summon their persona out into the real world, without the need of a metaphysical realm, but it was at a massively reduced effect, with maximum effort. With that in mind, Minato is also the only user of the Universe Arcana.

When dealing with Nyx, not just a deity, but the embodiment of death, the only way to really put the stop to that without breaking the cycle of death, was to use the Universe Arcana to keep her locked out. I think it's a fair assessment to say that if they were to actually kill Nyx, it would have broken the world itself apart due to how important she is to the whole system, and is also a large contributor to why I'm not using god kills as a measuring stick. The IT are basically just a bunch of kids with power. They never really go out of their way to get stronger, and only deal with a cosmic event that was really just an experiment to see what was up, instead of a world ending disaster that could have destroyed everything. The cross over games were fun between P3 and P4, but at the end of the day, they were more sleuths then fighters. This alone makes them valuable to have around, but leave the fighting to the professionals. The Phantom Thieves are an interesting sort. They are both the weakest, and strongest of all persona users. The Metaverse allowed them to bring out their deepest desires into a physical reality that allowed them to be incredibly powerful. Unlike Yu and his crew, who relied on glasses to try and force their way through the world without adapting, the PT not only adapted, but absorbed the Metaverse into themselves, increasing not only their Persona power, but also their own physical abilities. They were faster, stronger, dexterous. They wrapped the Metaverse around themselves like armor to enhance themselves. This is also their downfall, that Yu and his crew also suffered: Without the medium, they were stuck in the water. Granted, they retained their skills (minus the super human feats) as a group of Rogues, but that was it.

"But Joker, this is a debate about the MC's, not the teams" Yes, this is fair, but also you have to keep this in mind: The MC's are the pinnacle of what the team is capable of. S/He takes in the attributes of the entire time, and expulses it out in a magnified way. Without the MC, the teams tend to fall apart. The MC is the central flux, and the avatar of the team. What they can do as a whole, the MC does as an individual. So to get a better answer to the question, you have to break apart what makes the MC so great, and that's their crew. Anyway, I can make this much more detailed, but I'm rambling and the text limit is annoying me. Long story short: Doorkun is strongest.

Not sure if I'm more surprised at the fact that you put so much thought into this, or the prospect that you're alive.

He has a point lol just one question tho joker is able to summon the messiah and izanagi so wouldn't that cause him to be stronger since he can also use the universe arcana

Hibiki - I'm always alive AkiraHeart - I don't think DLC really counts as anything affirmative.

J-jokermod???!???? Wth... he didn't die?