I don't remember the chapter exactly, but the one where you face Camilla in Birthright. She spams a Dragon vein indirect damage over 60% of the map every turn while you get swarmed with enemies and can't heal fast enough. It took me many tries and over 4 hours for that chapter alone.

So I'm just gonna talk about heroes because I'm uncultured swine who's only played one Fe game before I REALLY hate the hero battle Ursula map. Alot. I use a team that has 3 dragons and I got absolutely destroyed and I really hate it.

Can I just go with the entirety of Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright? I literally can not recall a single enjoyable map. Hell, even a memorable one. The entirety of Birthright is a blur to me and the worst thing anything could possibly be is forgettable. At least the challenging and annoying maps go down in infamy, a far better fate than being entirely forgotten.

Do you feel the same way about Fates in general, or just Birthright?

Do you feel the same way about Fates in general, or just Birthright? Fates was a somewhat enjoyable but majorly flawed game. I personally enjoyed the gameplay quite a bit, however a significant amount of the maps featured quite a lot of bullshit, or were just extremely boring and uninspired. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed a lot of the more gimmicky maps, but there were quite a lot of them that went too far. Revelations seemed to have a lot of the good gimmicky maps, while Conquest had the most promising story, and Birthright was well... basically nothing. That being said, the story of Fates as a whole is literally one of the most horrible trainwrecks I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing in gaming. Fates is ultimately an enjoyable game with massive and terrible flaws in both the map design and the story. Plenty of the less dedicated Fire Emblem fans can enjoy it for what it is for sure, however that doesn't stop it from being quite literally the most disappointing game I have ever played. [ Edit: I realize that I left out the characters. Aside from the royal families and a couple others, all of them are extremely one-note and disappointing. It's even a downgrade from Awakening, where even then characters significantly lacked the depth of the characters from older games. ]

Hmm, I really disagree with all that. I found the story line of Fates to be its best part. And like Awakening, all the characters too. I didn't like its new battle system at first, but soon grew to prefer it more as well. Added more strategy than just luck in the pair up system.

I wouldn't go that far with Fates. It had some good characters (Leo, Sakura, Oboro, NOT ODIN!!!) and good gameplay, although the story and especially the lord were some of the weakest in the franchise. Corrin, we already have Roy as a disappointingly flat but for some reason popular Fire emblem lord. We don't need another one.

Speaking of least favorite maps in Fire Emblem, since I cannot remember chapter numbers I’ll simply say in Revelations, the chapter you get Leo and Xander, it’s on the back end of the first half so those two are about appropriately leveled, they start on the opposite end of hard-to-traverse terrain and are being charged by several mounted units. Now, this wouldn’t be a big deal if it weren’t for the fact the only easy support you get for them..... Are their retainers, Laslow, Peri, Odin, and Niles. All of whom are SERIOUSLY underleveled to the point where the stronger fandoms can 1-shot them. So not only do you have to work with units who haven’t been in your care before, said units also have to babysit a bunch of weaklings, making an unenjoyable challenge for those unwilling to use Laslow as bait. As for the story of Fates as a whole, it was a bit cheesy, nothing good, but nothing bad either..... Until you get into Revelations and the plot gets hijacked by Anankos, which personally soured my view of the storyline as a whole

It's simply my opinion. While the story may be fine to some I am not that big of a fan of over-the-top stories. Awakening was already pushing it but I could live with it, but Fates took it too far and then some for me.

I don't mind your opinion. I do find it strange it was over the top for you. It was a story involving two warring nations, to me it felt as big as it needed to be and never went past that, while on the flip side, I felt the opposite is true for Awakening, yet that didn't bother you. Hmm.

I don't mind your opinion. I do find it strange it was over the top for you. It was a story involving two warring nations, to me it felt as big as it needed to be and never went past that, while on the flip side, I felt the opposite is true for Awakening, yet that didn't bother you. Hmm. Did you play Revelations?

I'm still only on Conquest. I've heard Revelations is the true story and generally the one most prefer. Guess I'll see what you mean then.

I'm still only on Conquest. I've heard Revelations is the true story and generally the one most prefer. Guess I'll see what you mean then. Revelations is where things get really over-the-top. It's much worse than Awakening, I assure you.

It had some good characters (Leo, Sakura, Oboro, NOT ODIN!!!) Well, uh, I'm sure glad I'm not THAT guy! H-heh... Anyways, fuck most of Revelations. Aside from 3 exceptions (Those exceptions are actually pretty fantastic though ngl), the entire thing is a boring slog with shitty gimmicks and bad character spacing. Seriously, who the HELL thought it was a good idea to recruit Nyx and Shura in the same chapter, and recruit 4 underpowered as hell characters on the same chapter as fucking XANDER AND LEO. Honestly if Shadow Dragon didn't exist I'd call it my least favorite in the franchise. Also that shitty desert map in SoV. The one with like 10 fucking archers in a map with 2 movement because saaaaaand.

I dislike spectacle simply for spectacle, but if it's story appropriate and earned, it doesn't bother me. Never had an issue with Awakening either.

It had some good characters (Leo, Sakura, Oboro, NOT ODIN!!!) Well, uh, I'm sure glad I'm not THAT guy! H-heh... Anyways, fuck most of Revelations. Aside from 3 exceptions (Those exceptions are actually pretty fantastic though ngl), the entire thing is a boring slog with shitty gimmicks and bad character spacing. Seriously, who the HELL thought it was a good idea to recruit Nyx and Shura in the same chapter, and recruit 4 underpowered as hell characters on the same chapter as fucking XANDER AND LEO. Honestly if Shadow Dragon didn't exist I'd call it my least favorite in the franchise. Also that shitty desert map in SoV. The one with like 10 fucking archers in a map with 2 movement because saaaaaand. You can grind in Revelations though. Underleveled characters aren't that big of a deal.

If I can make a suggestion, download a GBA emulator and play Fe7. That's my favourite game in the series from what I've played thus far. Save states help with hard maps too. Also, what's wrong with Shadow Dragon?

You can grind in Revelations though. Underleveled characters aren't that big of a deal. The issue is that, for those chapters, the characters are totally dead-weight AND they get thrown into the middle of combat with almost no allies nearby, even worse, it’s the second part of a 2-part chapter, so if you didn’t level your fliers to save people in situations like this, you either accept the pain, or restart the whole 2-map ordeal so you can grind.

Also, what's wrong with Shadow Dragon? The maps are archaic, even more so than Echoes', and they didn't really decide to expand on any characters unlike it's better sequel. And honestly, something about it just... rubs me the wrong way. I love FE3 and FE12, but FE11 just... makes me mad, I guess. You can grind in Revelations though. Underleveled characters aren't that big of a deal. Oh I'm well aware they're fully usable. But getting Odin, who was already a borderline terrible unit in Conquest, so late in Revelations, with almost the SAME STATS, when you also have Leo, who's objectively better in every way, there's really no reason to use him besides favoritism. Heck, I love Odin, but even I bench him, or at least just grind his support to get Ophelia. Same goes for Peri and Laslow in regards to Xander.

It's not too dissimilar to Azura in Conquest when she joins. I doubt I'll have to worry. I grind by nature even when I don't have to. Yes, I changed Odin to a Swordmaster as quick as possible. It's what he did best in Awakening, and it remains so in Fates.

I can give you that, but it IS a remake of FE1. Kinda comes with the territory. Also, I just don't like Odin. He's a carbon copy of Owain, down to appearance, which is such a lazy design choice. I hate him for that and it just proves why the new fire emblem games are so terrible in comparison to the old ones. #bait.

I can give you that, but it IS a remake of FE1. Kinda comes with the territory. Also, I just don't like Odin. He's a carbon copy of Owain, down to appearance, which is such a lazy design choice. I hate him for that and it just proves why the new fire emblem games are so terrible in comparison to the old ones. #bait. Uh... He's not a carbon copy. He IS Owain. It's pretty clear him, Selena and Lazlow are all actually the same characters. Even Hayato's daughter is inferred to be Tharja. I don't know how it applies to Saizo's son, but the Nohrian retainers ARE the characters from Awakening. 100%.

You didn't click the spoiler tag, did you? #baited Also, no. I don't care how they tried to dodge blame with that. Rhajat, Asugi and Caeldori are purely there for the fan service and no other reason. THAT is what the lazy design choice I was joking about with Odin and I hate those 3 with a passion because of it. Well, maybe not Caeldori because I actually like Cordelia, unlike Tharja and Gaius. Those 2 have no reason to be as popular as they are.

I can give you that, but it IS a remake of FE1. Kinda comes with the territory. Also, I just don't like Odin. He's a carbon copy of Owain, down to appearance, which is such a lazy design choice. I hate him for that and it just proves why the new fire emblem games are so terrible in comparison to the old ones. #bait. nice b8 m8 Anyway, Odin himself is underwhelming. He's entertaining, but in battle, I often found myself rather disappointed. Granted, my playtime with him was limited to 2 chapters, but still. Not the best.

I would've replied anyway just to clear up confusion. :-! I don't disagree that some of the children are obvious laziness or fan service. The only one that makes sense is Tharja reincarnating since she loves the avatar so much. And I don't mean Corrin, but the player.

It's not too dissimilar to Azura in Conquest when she joins. I doubt I'll have to worry. I grind by nature even when I don't have to. Yes, I changed Odin to a Swordmaster as quick as possible. It's what he did best in Awakening, and it remains so in Fates. That's different. Azura's a Dancer. They're meant to come in underleveled, since their stats don't really matter in the first place since they're not meant for combat anyways. Granted, Azura's got some kickass combat stats if you reclass her. Also, funnily enough, Owain did better in Magical classes in Awakening, since Lissa passed down a higher magic growth. But Odin does better in his original class, as a Swordmaster. I can give you that, but it IS a remake of FE1. Kinda comes with the territory. Also, I just don't like Odin. He's a carbon copy of Owain, down to appearance, which is such a lazy design choice. I hate him for that and it just proves why the new fire emblem games are so terrible in comparison to the old ones. #bait. Oh I get that. The Awakening trio's return in Fates is pretty dumb. But I adore Owain in the first place, so honestly I don't mind him coming back. Honestly I think Caeldori, Asugi and Rhajat are lazier than the Awakening Trio, since they get at least a good relationship with the Royals they're under, where as the 1st gen copies don't have anything interesting like that. It's still lazy, but tbh I'm fine with seeing more of them. fuck i thought only the latter half of that was bait not the whole thing

Actually, it's implied in her death quote that Tharja is her reincarnated, but I digress. I still hate Tharja.

It's not too dissimilar to Azura in Conquest when she joins. I doubt I'll have to worry. I grind by nature even when I don't have to. Yes, I changed Odin to a Swordmaster as quick as possible. It's what he did best in Awakening, and it remains so in Fates. That's different. Azura's a Dancer. They're meant to come in underleveled, since their stats don't really matter in the first place since they're not meant for combat anyways. Granted, Azura's got some kickass combat stats if you reclass her. Also, funnily enough, Owain did better in Magical classes in Awakening, since Lissa passed down a higher magic growth. But Odin does better in his original class, as a Swordmaster. I meant the chapter. She's way apart from everyone and it's very easy for her to get killed for half the battle if you're not careful. Doesn't sound too dissimilar from the mission you're talking about in Revelations.

For Azura, it is way earlier than Odin and the others in Revelations. I think you get Azura at level 1 when your level 10-12, if I remember rightly. I think you get Odin at the others around level 10 when you have level 5 or higher promoted units.

I meant the chapter. She's way apart from everyone and it's very easy for her to get killed for half the battle if you're not careful. Doesn't sound too dissimilar from the mission you're talking about in Revelations. Azura is supposed to avoid combat at all costs during that chapter, even after she opens the chest to get a weapon. She's not too strong, even with the weapon triangle advantage. She's meant to dodge out of enemy range and reach the top Dragon Vein. On the other hand, Odin, Niles, Peri and Laslow show up a turn AFTER Xander and Leo, in the exact same spot as them, with really bad stats, They honestly need to hide in a corner or be pair-up bots for the rest of the chapter, since they're really not going to be contributing much at all. Actually, it's implied in her death quote that Tharja is her reincarnated, but I digress. I still hate Tharja. I've grown a bit fond of Tharja as of late. She certainly loses many points for still being abusive to Noire in the present (Thanks Noire and Dad support, being the only suppose where this happens, and after her mother support it feels VERY out of character for Tharja), but otherwise she's not actually a terrible person all the time. That said, Rhajat is actually a much better version of Tharja. She has an actual motivation to like the Avatar, and is more socially awkward in comparison to Tharja. Give Rhajat a shot, honestly. Read a few supports. She's not a bad character.

I don't like Tharja for a few reasons. I hate her stalker with a crush personality. It just seems a bit off to me. I don't really know how to describe it, I just dislike it. Also, the whole child abuse thing. If it were just that, I don't think I'd mind Tharja. She's a good unit, equally good as Henry, who I prefer to use. But since she's so popular, and I can only think of 2 reasons she got that way, I just hate her. The reason I hate Rhajat is, plain and simple, shes a Tharja clone. Design and personality. At least, that's what I get from her paralogue. Maybe if my 3ds could work for more than 5 minutes, I could get a better grasp on her character through supports, but as it stands, I don't like her.

tbh there was always this one map that stuck out to me for some reason but there the map in Awakening when you first meet Henry. For some reason, it just rubs off on me the wrong way.

I hated the map with Miriel's son too, now that you mention Awakening. I completely missed finding him the last time I played because of it. Miriel plays no role in the opening cutscene (unlike every other mother in their child's level) so I just thought it was another side chapter, not even knowing he was in it. It really annoyed me.