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About this whole "War"

Fuck it. Some people want this new world, some don't. Does that mean everyone SHOULD go there? No. Really neither side wants to find a solution. Hell I didn't for a bit. But really they need to. One I thought of is that certain people do get sent to this new world while others are left behind. A solution that would actually make everyone happy, not one that only satisfies one side. This is an idea at best but it's one I actually like. You can discuss if you want.

Gabentheholy

If we got to war we all die... fuck it I'm down

Mona

How 'bout, after the plot ends we say "Yeah new Nexus is exactly the same as old one"

NotIgor

Bu-but... muh details.

Migrant

Works for me. My inky ooc issue is the fear this will induce some of the hardasses in the community to clamp down on character sheets, non Persona content, or RP in general.

Mona

I don't see how that would happen

Bgammax

Honestly, I think many people are overblowing NotIgor's whole plot. They seem to think there's an ACTUAL WAR going down over what will happen to the forums, or at least to roleplay. In actuality it's simply another part of the whole thing. Any reactions should be taken out IC if possible, and if it resolves with something you dislike, just ignore it, or leave. Don't take it as though people are trying to force something. Take it as yet another event, nothing that special.

Though I do believe it's good to get attention, it is NOT good to take personal offense to it.

Mona

Also, if the Nexus resets we can say that history rebuilt itself and the same events happened in the same exact way

Nyx_Avatar

^^^

Nyx_Avatar

To Gamma.

Nyx_Avatar

Been lurking, whole thing seems overblown to me. A plot is just a plot. Stories are just stories.

Migrant

Why do we need to rebuild history at all? Our characters are untouched by this, our story is continuing forward uninterrupted is it not?

Mona

Yes

Migrant

Then no need to rebuild history. That's only if we all get reset to our day 1 self.

NotIgor

The character's themselves are staying untouched no matter what. My intention was never a complete and total wipe of everything ever.

hazama

*headslamming continues again*

Nyx_Avatar

Oh, is that fun? Can I join?

[Joins in on head slamming.]

Hibiki

I'm gonna ha ck the phansite and change the banner to "there is no war" if this keeps up

Mona

There's IC war, though. Civil war plot can stay, right?

Bgammax

Do it Hibiki. And fix a few words while you're at it. I have faith in you.

Bgammax

yes, the plot can stay, I'm just saying people need to calm down about it, seperate IC and OOC, and wait pretty much.

Yukayo

bluehair, i don't know what to say.... but i think this is the same thing as what happened to reaper (please don't discuss about this).

but, if you are saying about destroying everything, and we can go into new worlds, you are half right about it, but, if the nexus destroyed everything that means, out characters will be destroyed, and then new characters and new worlds will be here, then destroyed...over and over again, but if you want it to stay, all i need is to find a plot to make the nexus stay, but without destroying everything, that if you want.

Migrant

Thanks Haz, your comments are noted.

And honestly if the world is the same to a T and the characters aren't reset there's no issue I have. Not that Mig at this point would be involved in an IC civil war anyway.

That there alst night was a plot injury. No mediahrahn for that.

NotIgor

Really One of four things occur
1. The plot is glossed over as failed.
2. The nexus resets but memories are retained
3.I win and we get some change.
4. The nexus is reset and by some idiot doing something wrong all history is lost.

Migrant

"3.I win and we get some change. "

And NOW we have an OOC issue again.

Bgammax

Yukayo, you're cool and all, but in this business I don't think you're helping. You're offering solutions for a problem that shouldn't exist. Which unintentionally continues the real issues. So on this front, I think you should stay out for now.

bluehairedemo

So then, do we all agree to keep this as an optional event at best?

RobowaifuAigis

I love how we're not being told to wait, but aren't being given any details. You're trying to force a huge thing through which probably won't even matter in the end. So, if you want to be taken seriously, either provide details, or have people feel like you are trying to be a puppet master.

NotIgor

I can't reveal my full hand yet now can I. That was the only way for me to list the possibility of my full scheme.

Hibiki

I mean no offense but it seems kind of a double standard to brush this off considering the fact that for a while, everything taking place in the Nexus was imposed on just about any thread, whether intentional or not.

NotIgor

On the subject of details I think I've given plenty if only people would read and absorb what I've already said.

Bgammax

You shouldn't have said anything. People were finally able to calm down, and now you've given them reason to be concerned again. I get you want to keep some secrets, its natural for any plot, but don't say it'll affect something and not say WHAT the plan is to affect.

bluehairedemo

Agree to disagree then....

Migrant

I mean her'es the thing. If one of your endings is YOU and your cohorts on PM getting to dictate changes to how we RP, then I think we're obligated to know now what those changes are.

Otherwise you'll win, spring changes on us, and a lot of us will say "yeah no, we have Discords we can RP the original Nexus on" and quit.

Cait_Sith

The neutral route exists for a reason, nya.

Mona

Are you not listening!? There are gonna be no changes to the way we rp. I don't see how some people don't get this

Cait_Sith

tldr: Nothing major will change in the end. Just a fun little plot. Also, "Nexus Reset" seem to be trigger words.

Migrant

3.I win and we get some change.

I
WIN
and we get
SOME
CHANGE

I get that you helped write this plot but maybe try listening to what he's saying before you write everone off as crazy.

Robin-K

Mona, look at his option 3.
'Change'.
What Changes exactly?

hazama

I have my opinions, but they don't matter. Keep this topic in this thread from now on, to avoid the forums getting flooded any further. Please and thank you.

NotIgor

The change that I'm talking about is a sick new mechanic I've been cooking up.

Cait_Sith

Thanks Hazamod.

Overall this is a major overreaction to one of many possibilities.

Yukayo

i don't even know if i'm offering or not but the problem is high, it might even make bluehair quit phansite, that's what am i afraid of it right now.

Mona

"What changes exactly?"
NotIgor told me his plan. He's going to make a new world, callee Bexsu.

Nyx_Avatar

Overreactions seem to be a site trademark.

Mona

Sorr for spoiler NI uwu

Cait_Sith

So in other words, Bootleg Nexus is created. Interesting.

Ene

Look this whole argument is pointless and some of you people are beginning to be very rude. NotIgor just wants to write something like the rest of you guys and you all are creating a big deal out of it.

If you don't link something then just ignore no one is pointing a gun at your head and saying you must follow through with this. Hell I'm not even in this and I not bitching, because I respect the right of someone to do their own thing. You all should do the same since NotIgor has given us that same respect in the past even if he didn't a approve of some things.

I hate calling out names but for some of you people there needs to be a line. Mig and Bluehair the two of you are especially blowing this out of proportion it hour really asking what this is about. Just sit down and maybe learn a thing or two after giving NotIgor the apology he deserves as a writer.

I'm other ordering you around or hell even scolding you. Your free to day fuck you if you want. I'm use saying show a bit of respect towards others before you attempt to rip onto them. Is that too much to ask?

Nyx_Avatar

Thank you, Ene.

hazama

The change is nothing like: "No non-Persona RP grrr", if anything it won't affect you at all unless you want it to.

This entire conundrum has been based on nothing but overreactions and conclusions you jumped to and called fact.

btw thx ene ily bby

Migrant

A new mechanic you're cooking up?

Okay so if we're expected to abandon old mechanics and adopt a new one it'd be nice to know what said mechanic is.

Or at least what mechanics we're expected to give up.

Migrant

Also the fact that you called it Bexsu basically confirms to me that that ending isn't a 1:1 conversion, it's an entirely custom world.

Hibiki

Oh look at that, the jokes flying away, way above everyone's head.

Nyx_Avatar

Claim Jumpers has delicous coconut cream pie.

bluehairedemo

... Still Satan even though I made this... oh well...

Hibiki

You starting a discussion does not exempt you from criticism.

Mona

Oh, did a say Bexsu? I meant Toaster World. And the new mechanic is that you have to make lotsa speghetti in every topic.

hazama

Migrant I JUST said it won't affect you unless you choose for it to affect you

RobowaifuAigis

Notigor has given people respect?
So harrassing people and blowing shit up is respect?
Damn, I don't want to see what disrespect is.

Ene

Bluehair by starting this discussion you have made it clear that you are willing to participate in this no matter what.

So be prepared when people actually argue with you since that is what discussion is all about.

Moon_Man

I love how some ppl here just completely ignore certain statement and treat their own, ignorant conclusions as a fact.
Good to see we have MATURE adults around.

bluehairedemo

Hey I'm all for constructive criticism.

RescueCat

Now, now, everyone calm down! The Nexus can still be saved should you go that route!

And the new world will likely be a Bootleg Nexus. Either way, the Nexus lives in some way!

Now let's all take a break before I have to OTK someone =^.^=

Mona

@RobowaifuAigis nothing IC should possibly affect your emotions. By this logic, every villain in this RP is a bad person in real life

Ene

@RobowaifuAigis

You should look at your own mistakes before criticizing others. I'm not saying that NotIgor is a saint none of us are by any degree of the word.

All I anymore saying is that no matter what mistakes have been made all of us deserve respect as human beings.

Migrant

Haz, I have one rather sizable issue with this whole notion of it "not affecting me."

It will affect EVERYONE, unless we come up with some explanation for there being two worlds.

Otherwise the userbase will be split between "Bexsu" and "Nexus" with no crossplay prospect unless you make multiple accounts and have multiple canons.

Which if we're looking tofoster a community should be the last thing we do. It should be all for one. And it shouldn't have an exclusive group that may I point out you're apart of deciding arbitrarily on new mechanics and new locations.

That's not what made this site what it is. That's not what allows me to summon a Persona and fight alongside Roxas against freaking Aku or something.

RescueCat

Hm... maybe... it would be best to explain the mechanics of this new world! Will it be Bootleg Nexus and change nothing? Or will it create problems?

An explanation will clear up ANY concerns! ^w^

Moon_Man

Tfw when "Bexsu" was actually a typo, and a joke someone took seriously.

Mona

I MADE BEXSU UP

Hibiki

I find it problematic that NotIgor doing this gets so much backlash, and yet bluehairedemo among others have imposed things on the Phansite in the past, and yet any time I brought up criticism in the past of this, it got ignored. This is honestly why I don't RP much anymore.

Hibiki

Jokes? On Phansite? Those are illegal, you should know better Mona.

bluehairedemo

When have I imposed anything? Like seriously when?

RescueCat

Aaaand that settles it! This new world is a joke! :3

Mona

Oh fuck i'm getting arrested now

Mona

Well, for one, the Nexus itself is imposed

Mona

Well, for one, the Nexus itself is imposed

Ene

@Migrant

This whole plot will not affect everyone just like the rest of the phansite plots have not. Once again you are throwing things out of proportion just to continue a dead case.

I respect your stance but you need to chill a bit and maybe just listen to other people. You are acting as if people will be roped into this even after it has been stated over and over that nothing of the sort will happen.

What made the site what it is are not a series of plots and concepts created at particular moments. What made this site are the people and you seem to have forgotten that putting priority over the world.

RescueCat

Anyway, don't worry about the Nexus. I'll rescue it with my mighty powers! So let this plot have a chance, and don't yell "NEXUS RESET" on the Phansite! 0w0

Migrant

Okay I'm gonna issue this takedown rather concisely.

A) Yuki didn't invent the Nexus idea.

B) Nobody said "I destroyed your world so now you will come to this world I made, with mechanics I made, and play by my rules" when it came to the Nexus.

C) We all created and agreed to the Nexus because it explained why more people kept showing up. Non-Persona ones at that.

hazama

Ene made my point for me

You shall be spared during Hazzy's Day of Reckoning (Patent pending).

-Agent_Indiana-

I'm working on a persona OC if this is basically the case

Mona

"You shall be spared during Hazzy's Day of Reckoning (Patent pending)."
Are you implying change?
*i'm not sorry*

RescueCat

That was yet another joke. Maybe. Mona's kinda in a jokey mood I guess. And that "other world," as said before, WILL NOT affect anything. I'll make sure of that!

And the Nexus might not even be reset smh

hazama

Oh fuck, now I'm getting arrested, and I'm a cop!

Mona

C) We all created and agreed to the Nexus because it explained why more people kept showing up. Non-Persona ones at that.

I didn't get a say in it

RescueCat

Anyway, at its core, the Nexus is a laid-back setting/explanation. Nobody's gonna change its core concept! :3

Migrant

Did you ask for a say in it? This isn't a new invention Mona, this is like May ancient. Like back when RP was just Leblanc and nothing else ancient.

RescueCat

Okay, I'ma take a step back here.

The main issue is that people are worried about RESET and the new world having new rules. If it can be proven the new world won't be restricted, on the off chance it DOES happen, then all concerns will be settled!

Ene

@Migrant

The whole nexus concept was created by the various contributions of multiple people and you know that. There was never an instance where everyone just sat down and discussed this so you should not say that there was. Not everyone agreed to the nexus concept and you have to accept that.

Migrant

@RescueCat Yeah basically. I'm concerned that I'm going to get uprooted from 4 months of development for Mig and told "No, there's no Twilight Town anymore. You need to go back to the male Migrant because no Nexus to justify GBW and Neko stuff. And you have to give up some your powers because we feel that you have too many and it's unbalanced."

Mona

I see where you're coming from, @Migrant, but a lot of people want to keep the Nexus the same. Therefore, if you wish to propose a "Nexus Reset", you don't have the right to do so. And, another thing, if people want lotsa speggetti, who are you to deny it from them?

RescueCat

Alright, I'm back with some good info! The new world will just be Bootleg Nexus, according to a chat with NotIgor. He also says minor tweaks are the MOST he is willing to change in this Nexus copy.

Migrant

@Ene While that may be true, there's also nobody forcing you to use the concept. Hell I think most of us just kinda acknowledge it as a justifcation for things but don't RP like it's an end-all be all. I think Hill and I were the only ones who really were using it in day-to-day RP.

Which is why I still don't get where this became such an issue that it had to be solved by getting rid of it.

Ene

@Migrant

No one is forcing you to use NotIgor's concept either so I really don't see the issue. If the Nexus is just a barely used concept then why do you find such an issue with NotIgor creating a plot that ends it?

If you really have no issue ending the Nexus then it only appears that you are arguing out of more personal reasons.

I sure hope things have not come to that but only can tell me.

Migrant

Depends. Do you call being attached to my character and not wanting to be forced into sweeping changes because of a new setting "personal reasons?"

Hibiki

Oh hey would you look at this

"No one is forcing you to use NotIgor's concept either"

RescueCat

New setting is just Bootleg Nexus. Minimal to no changes~

And nothing stopping people from making it a perfect replica with the same rules!

Plus, it likely won't happen. It's only one of many routes.

Robbie-Rotten

By trying to tell NotIgor he can't do his RP you're basically doing the same exact thing you claim him to be doing

Ene

@Migrant

Once again you don't have to go with NotIgor's changes. You can just ignore them and do your own thing. No one is actively forcing you and telling you that must change your characters.

I have no idea where you pulled this idea from after such careful explanation.

For the last time no one is forcing you to get rid of your characters thus there is no issue.

@Hibiki

The Nexus concept was a big issue and a black mark for all of the rp community on this site.

I can offer apologies but I know that at this point it is worth nothing so this time I am just attempting to speak out against another potential mistake.

You are free to say fuck you all you want since I am very much hypocritical in doing this.

bluehairedemo

Christ... I just suggested balance...

Migrant

What is so bad about the Nexus? Nobody has explained this and at this point I'm starting to wonder if you all are just having a massive aneurysm over Naho and Bona04.

Robbie-Rotten

Also, Splat_Tim being the president was imposed

Hibiki

I've stated my issues with the Nexus many times before, though none of those opinions really apply here. Though I did mention it once as an example, it wasn't really what I was taking issue with here.

Ene

@Migrant

Do you really need more explanation?

Other then the discord I feel that a lot of other people have already pointed out problems with the Nexus.

Migrant

Honestly nobody has pointed out the issues to me. Everyone just syas "it sucks" and expects me to know.

Then again I guess I'm a different breed of RPer from you all since I never understood why people were having an aneurysm over Leblanc existing either.

Not that it matters, nothing is really going to change. Anyone advocating change will be disappointed, and anyone involved will feel stupid when the ending arrives.

Mona

"nothing is really going to change."
Great fuck there is a God. She finally understands! We've been trying to tell you this for hours!

Moon_Man

hallelujah

HALLELUJAH

Ene

Finally someone has seen reason.

Thought I would be dead before that happened.

RescueCat

Anyway, now that the debate is over, I can look forward to good eats and putting odd ideas into action!

*Puts out snacks for everyone and leaves*

Migrant

Sure I understand, assuming you're not lying but that's a rabbit hole I refuse to get into, but I think there are some on the other side of the fence (those who desire change) who still think there'll be change.