Mine would be a full out douchebag, not caring bout anyone, and only care bout himself, and is lustful, greedy, and kind of genocidal, mine would would be a mafia boss to

Awesome topic, June! I can tell you put tons of thought into this! But, June, I don't think of you as an attention seeker... Like, even a little bit. You get noticed because you're so much fun to chat with, not because you're desperate for it. But the fact YOU see yourself this way would probably mean your Shadow would too, so it's viable. My Shadow would be extremely needy and paranoid. Not too dissimilar from Mishima, though our desires to be wanted differ slightly, it still leads to a lot of pent up frustration.

First, I'll talk about the domain it's in. Usually in Persona 4, people that go in the TV world have their own location dedicated to their true feelings. My domain would probably be some run-down computer lab with many broken moniters, keyboards and even drawing tablets. There would also be many checklists laid out on the walls covered by incoherent scribbles, symbolizing his need to always succeed, almost to the level of a perfectionist. There would also be the pictures of people around the place, which shows his tendency to compare himself to others. My shadow would seem very meek at first. He may help you navigate the puzzles in that domain, because he wants to help, but also because he wants to face himself as well. His conversations would be focused around other people in his life, and how he wants to be as good as them, but ultimately cannot, or so he thinks. After meeting up with the real world version of himself, he would soon break down, and become a lot more aggressive, as if he was bottling up his feelings a lot. Around the time of the boss fight, he says he desperately wants to change. That's how I think it would work, anyway.

Hey look, this old alt is relevent! The dungeon would be Napoleon's own palace, Château de Fontainebleau, except with eldritch architecture on the inside and a black and blue color scheme. It's a symbol for my huge ego and pride, and also the fact that I would genuinely go back in time to give Napoleon today's weaponry just so he could win the battles he lost. The minibosses would be Knightly Shadows, like the Emperor-Arcana Knights found in P3/4 or Eligor and Berith if we're in a P5-like setting. My Shadow would be a manipulative ass that would get angry for any reason, however little it is. It would also try to break people by pointing out their flaws, and if that doesn't work, a beating with good ol' fisticuffs is coming. As for the boss fight, well... It's been pretty much covered here: https://phansite.net/forum/topic.php?topic=7526

Hey look, this old alt is relevent! The dungeon would be Napoleon's own palace, Château de Fontainebleau, except with eldritch architecture on the inside and a black and blue color scheme. It's a symbol for my huge ego and pride, and also the fact that I would genuinely go back in time to give Napoleon today's weaponry just so he could win the battles he lost. The minibosses would be Knightly Shadows, like the Emperor-Arcana Knights found in P3/4 or Eligor and Berith if we're in a P5-like setting. My Shadow would be a manipulative ass that would get angry for any reason, however little it is. It would also try to break people by pointing out their flaws, and if that doesn't work, a beating with good ol' fisticuffs is coming. As for the boss fight, well... It's been pretty much covered here: https://phansite.net/forum/topic.php?topic=7526 That brings me back old memories.

That brings me back old memories. Ayyy

I think my shadow would insist on being the strongest, both physically and mentally. He would think he can do anything on his own and sits down any and all help, going as far as to lash out and attack any one who tries to help him as well as cognitive versions of my loved ones by physical and verbal abuse due to my own issues with that growing up in my home. He would be arrogant to the point he thinks himself a God and isn't beyond manipulating those around him with a poisonous charm. He would drink in complete excess which would increase his rage and violent tendency.

Well after thinking on this for literal months, I'm still not 100% sure but I think I have a good idea or two. I am very protective of my friends and I'm willing to go to extremes to protect them, to the point where I was going to beat up some assholes who were bullying my friend at a school I didn't go to. Taking that even further, my shadow would be completely obsessed with protecting those dear to him that he would basically restrict them to a prison he made and keep them company and away from the cruel outside world. Any intruders he didn't recognize he would be very defensive towards but the closer they got to him and those closest to him, the more antagonistic he would become and the more rage driven he would be.

That's pretty hard, honestly. I guess my shadow would make sure that he was below no one and he always came out on top. Anything anyone did, he would do better, and would lash out and belittle those who bested him. However, that would be a farce as he would be trembling in fear at the thought of anyone being better than him. At first I thought the domain should be a Castle, but I thought that was overdone in Persona (Yukiko, Kamoshida). Instead, how about a mountain or skyscraper to match the "top of the world" feeling. Also, he'd be isolated from everyone below supporting the idea that he's a coward behind the big act he puts up.

Yo, why do I feel like I'm confessing my sins to someone?

Well after thinking on this for literal months, I'm still not 100% sure but I think I have a good idea or two. I am very protective of my friends and I'm willing to go to extremes to protect them, to the point where I was going to beat up some assholes who were bullying my friend at a school I didn't go to. Taking that even further, my shadow would be completely obsessed with protecting those dear to him that he would basically restrict them to a prison he made and keep them company and away from the cruel outside world. Any intruders he didn't recognize he would be very defensive towards but the closer they got to him and those closest to him, the more antagonistic he would become and the more rage driven he would be. Not everyone would have a Shadow. Like Sojiro, if you're well balanced in life, like a Persona, your Shadow wouldn't manifest as a separate entity. That's how I took it, anyway.

I can't really say OOC, don't like thinking about myself too much. But if I were to say something about Taiga Hanaya aka KR Snipe... I'd call the area it rules over some twisted mix of a medical lab and a military base. Taiga is a doctor, yes, but Snipe uses weapons based on military FPS games. Thus the mix of them both. As for what it would actually say. There'd be a focus on his sordid past and failure to save a patient at one point. Along with the fact that for a while after that he kinda just gave up on trying to help people entirely. "Hah, a doctor! Don't make me laugh, we're only in it for the money after all... Who cares about saving lives!?" He's not really like that these days, but not so long he was and thus I'd say there's enough of it left to form a shadow. Some lingering bits of self-doubt from back then. As for the form his Shadow would take in battle, it'd either be some giant naval vessel armed with plenty of gun skills and high armor. But slow movement. Or, it might just be a flat out dark version of Kamen Rider Snipe, in that case, it would also likely call upon the mooks from the dungeon. Or be more powerful than Snipe usually is somehow, otherwise it'd not make for much of a boss fight.

I want my shadow to be Son'ka the golden hand if u don't know here she was a jewelry theif who's trickery and use of wits made her skilled in the art of thievery. It would be a golden hand who would have a jewel encrusted fan that it would constantly be blowing at itself confusion, garu, psi, , a psi attack increase, along with dekaja and the evelutions of garu and psi.

I also wanna say that RYuji's person is bad ass and that it gets sacrificed for the most weird persona in the game so that is bad

I also wanna say that RYuji's person is bad ass and that it gets sacrificed for the most weird persona in the game so that is badThis is both off-topic and nigh-incomprehensible. Also, do you have an explanation for your Shadow in the above post? Just curious.

I forgot to talk about my shadow... but I think everyone remembers him... and how annoying he was.

I also wanna say that RYuji's person is bad ass and that it gets sacrificed for the most weird persona in the game so that is badThis is both off-topic and nigh-incomprehensible. Also, do you have an explanation for your Shadow in the above post? Just curious. My best guess is he liked Captain Kidd, but not Saiten Kaisei?

I want my shadow to be Son'ka the golden hand if u don't know here she was a jewelry theif who's trickery and use of wits made her skilled in the art of thievery. It would be a golden hand who would have a jewel encrusted fan that it would constantly be blowing at itself confusion, garu, psi, , a psi attack increase, along with dekaja and the evelutions of garu and psi. This topic is about your Shadow, your dark personality traits, not the demon it becomes.

sry didn't understand, thanks for that, I am quite the theif witch is why I chose her I misunderstood again sorry and thanks

(I did a P5 Shadow Challenge on YT quite similar to this, so heck here goes) My shadow would be the type that's obsessed with being perfect. Living under the impression that if you aren't perfect, you can't be loved. Anything that threatens her pride--her image--must be disposed of. She believes everyone is out to judge her and if they aren't going to judge her, they're going to admire her. Her talents are everything, and failing at anything means she could be thrown away.

Not everyone would have a Shadow. Like Sojiro, if you're well balanced in life, like a Persona, your Shadow wouldn't manifest as a separate entity. That's how I took it, anyway. Oh I get that completely, and I imagine that most likely I wouldn't have a Shadow, at least right away, but my scenario is presented as an extreme, if things took way too many turns for the worst.

Personally, I think my shadow would have an obsession with not confronting anything, and it would always be seen hiding and running away, and he'd see the handmade cage he's in as some sort of paradise. For clothing, he'd probably wear very plain clothes in an attempt to not be noticed. For his domain, it'd be a twisted mix of a Garden of Eden type paradise and a wretched, maze like prison. Overall, I think my shadow would be an amplification of my escapism.

For me, my shadow is more destructive than most. Something that is disrespectful and hates everything. It's ultimate desire would be to destroy everything in existence. His shadow's palace would be something of a wasteland, that is littered with rubble of buildings and corpses of people.

This is quite the interesting topic actually. In Certain Spirituality paths there is Shadow Work, it’s something I’ve done with my roommates. The last 2 games give better insight on how Shadow’s function while P3 gives a better idea of how wild Shadows can effect others. P4 shows how our shadows interact with us, while they normally aren’t as extreme and disturbing, by working on the Shadow we uncover the Persona, more often called spirit guides. P5 shows us the effects Sin/Desires can have on our Shadows, Shadow’s that reach Palace Levels are usually removed from their Ego. Being removed from the Ego the person is unmoved by any deals made to make them Better, seen with how the Palace Owners are so set in their ways until the Treasure has been stolen. My Shadow is formless much like the Slime Persona, with mine it has “great Hair” as the only distinguished feature. My problem is that I have no direction in my life so I am stuck in perpetual “I Don’t Know” Cycles. I had changed majors way too much in Uni so going and finishing it seems a bigger task than I’m ready for. But working on my Shadow I was able to find Ophelia, of Hamlet fame, she is a Hanged Man, able to assume any role necessary. Now I am far from complete with my Shadow but working little bits at a time makes it easier. As for the dungeon it would probably end up being more of a maze than what we have seen. But Everyone has a Shadow, even working through it to get an Awakened Persona leaves a Shadow. It’s a necessary segment of the psyche to help balance out your Ego.

But Everyone has a Shadow, even working through it to get an Awakened Persona leaves a Shadow. It’s a necessary segment of the psyche to help balance out your Ego. I don't disagree with your logic, but how do you explain them not finding Sojiro's Shadow in 5? To be that implied people without much distortion at least do not have their Shadows in Mementos. But if not, where are they? And it is said in game Personas are the characters' Shadows.

I don't disagree with your logic, but how do you explain them not finding Sojiro's Shadow in 5? To be that implied people without much distortion at least do not have their Shadows in Mementos. But if not, where are they? And it is said in game Personas are the characters' Shadows. I can’t say for sure, I haven’t gotten past Makoto joining. But Sojiro seems to have repented so his shadow would be bound to his Ego. Mementos is “the Underworld” of the Collective unconscious, it is closer to Tartarus in function, being where the Shadows that aren’t bound to an Ego reside and appear as Demons, but Mementos is designed more similarly. Normal people like us have our Shadows Within our selves. The Persona is a reflection of your Shadow, If you have the Wild Card ability you can access a plethora of Persona within the Compendium. Most people don’t have the Wild Card ability so they are stuck with the Persona Reflected by their Shadow. But, I think it was arena, if the person was to falter to their shadow they would lose their Persona. The Shadow holds the Persona for the Ego, and when the Ego is Strong Enough the Persona is reflected.

Ah, I look forward to seeing your opinion of it once you're past the fourth Palace and have seen the whole thing with Sojiro.

I'll just sit here in the corner with my P2 and P4 shadows that literally anyone could have.

Man, my Shadow would be a wreck. Considering how often my perception of myself shifts, it's personality would probably change constantly with zero warning. (From cowardly and closed off to cold and standoffish to friendly and joking, for example.) While also spouting a bunch of "life is a game with no reward and everyone dies alone" type crap. Maniacal laughter optional. (Like hey, mental illness, could we not today? Thanks.)

Centurion, dude, where were you when I was writing my persona based research paper?!

My Shadow would be obsessed with trying to get ahead in life with no regard to the consequences.